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szass_tam(1).jpgKnown to the wider Forgotten Realms® as a sinister land
of Red Wizards, slavers, and marching undead armies,
Thay is the distant—or uncomfortably close—menace that
“may become our doom if Szass Tam turns his attention
in our direction.”


And Thay is that, but it is also so much more. A truly
magical land (thanks to a secret that even the goddess
Mystra helps to keep) of rich culture, a rising middle class,
ambitious nobles and Red Wizards who fear Szass Tam
more than they hate him, but may soon be forced to defy
him, and wealth beyond the imaginings of even wealthy
and proud realms elsewhere.


This tome is your guide to the Thay of right now, a
valuable resource for Dungeon Masters and players alike.
It sets forth the people and places of the Land of Red
Wizards, what life is like, and seeds, hints, and secrets
sufficient to spur adventures for years of enjoyment at
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Essek T April 21, 2022 8:50 am UTC
Hello, time for an overspecific question: is Valindra Shadowmantle in this one?
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Travis B May 13, 2022 4:38 am UTC
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Yes, she is the Zulkir of Necromancy, and this book assumes that her mission in Chult in Tomb of Annihilation was a success.
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Adam B April 01, 2022 2:59 pm UTC
How much of the book is 5e content or is it mostly system agnostic? Is it meaty enough for those using different systems to get a cool setting out of?

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Benjamin H April 11, 2022 4:55 am UTC
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Haven't read it cover to cover yet but it's about 60% system agnostic lore* with the rest being a handful of character options, monsters and a short adventure. The lore portion is very detailed, with lots of specifics regarding locations and major characters in Thay. There's also a lot of info regarding different power struggles that have arisen, or might arise in your campaign. I think it would be exceptionally adaptable.

*Depending on how finicky you are about the details, there is one thing that sticks out a little bit in the lore. The highest council below the ruler of Thay are the 8 Zulkirs, which each represent a specific school of magic. These Zulkirs very blatantly reflect the 8 traditional schools of magic in the D&D system. Conceptually, of course, the schools are quite generic (conjuration, necromancy etc.) and would fit into most systems involving magic. But the specific number and names might stick out a bit as being a clear holdover from the book's D&D roots.
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Mike O March 31, 2022 10:45 pm UTC
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It is a good product. It allows you to craft an immersive campaign/adventure in Thay but leaves it wide open for you to craft the narrative. Given the high stakes and the power of a Red Wizard, I had higher hopes for the included adventure, but overall I liked the book. It gives a lot of detail about life in Thay.
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daniel R March 15, 2022 8:18 pm UTC
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My hardcover copy just arrived today and cannot express how awesome this is!!! I love lore on the Red Wizards, especially since they're the main villains in my homebrew campaign (SKT HC + AL modules that help the overall storyline). Also thank you, @Ben R for giving yet another resource to get lore/info on the origins of Red Wizards!
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Kyle M March 10, 2022 9:47 pm UTC
is there much about szass tam covered? the table of contents didn’t have a 12 page section called Szass Tam which obv has to an oversight. =p i am more interested in lore or hints about his future plans than stat blocks if that matters. i hope to purchase the pdf regardless of the Szassness of the content, but my curiosity runs amok. thx info ~
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Ben R March 11, 2022 10:24 pm UTC
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Szass Tam is certainly present, though he has no stat block. Most of the book is lore on the country of Thay itself - getting out and away from the Thaymount and telling you about the other zulkirs, the other citys, the tharchions, etc. But Tam is of course always hovering. For more Red Wizard lore from the man who knows, I recommend in addition to this getting "Tyrants in Scarlet" which is also here on the Guild and gives the secret origins of the Red Wizards.
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Jacob R March 10, 2022 6:51 pm UTC
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I've always been quite interested in Thay so this is a fantastic resource. Thank you!
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Christopher D March 06, 2022 11:30 pm UTC
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Christopher D March 06, 2022 11:30 pm UTC
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Review 8/10
This book gives a meaty serving of world building to replace the bland and unremarkable understanding of the Thayan presence in Faerun. It provides seasoned or knowledge-hungry players and DMs with a developed written world to consume. It’s only real drawback is a lack of accessibility. This is not a casual text.


Writing quality 8/10
There are some editing mistakes. I find this to be a seemingly unnecessary blemish on an otherwise well written book. It’s glaringly obvious, from the bulk of the work, that they can and did do better. So errors stand out.

Lore 10/10
An engaging telling of the Thayan way of life, from the manure-covered farmer to the Lich Ruler.
A narrative unveiling of the Red Wizards weaknesses, as individuals and as an organization.
Szass Tam’s personality is fully fleshed. Did you know that Szass Tam’s primary motivator is love?
I really like the multiple conflicting parties inside the Red Wizards. It...See more
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Brandon V March 04, 2022 8:46 pm UTC
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I accidently bought the fantasy grounds unity version instead of the PDF. can anyone from support help me out with my problem?
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Alex K March 04, 2022 8:58 pm UTC
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Ralph T March 02, 2022 6:31 pm UTC
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There is something wrong with the Full‑size Preview. It's not displaying anything from the PDF.
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Jimmy F February 25, 2022 5:02 pm UTC
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Hi! Your product is featured in my latest YouTube video. Feel free to use quotes from it or even the timestamp link as the video on your catalog page if you want. Also please signal boost (share) the video if you can (and haven't already). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apN9B8ZTcFM
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Greg C March 04, 2022 5:13 pm UTC
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Ah Jimmy, you jumping on the back of their content to promote your youtube spam is quite disgraceful.
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Jimmy F March 04, 2022 5:22 pm UTC
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It's not spam. Plenty of people watch the series to see what new releases come out each week. As you know, the titles move quickly off the front page of the site. Video series like this one help people discover titles long after that has happened. Also some authors can only be notified that their book appears in the series via the comments page since they don't all have Twitter or other means to reach them.
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Greg C March 04, 2022 5:37 pm UTC
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You spam your youtube link to then throw your affiliate links back so you can cash in on their purchases. If you did a review it would be one thing, but you just read the description and its all just so you can plug your own products. Anyway, we will see if dmsguild approves of this practice where every product is all about you Jimmy.
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Jimmy F March 04, 2022 6:37 pm UTC
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Again, I sincerely doubt you are doing anything to promote third party creators, so be as sour as you like, but at the end of the day, one of us is helping to promote them and the other is not.

You need only read the comments on any of the videos or the Twitter announcements to see that the creators of these books appreciate it. For many of the titles, the only video coverage they receive is in my video series.

And, yes I participate in the Affiliate program. That is a win-win for everybody. The creator gets a sale, DM's Guild makes a profit, and I get a small 8% for my time and trouble. I assure you the affiliate revenue does not even cover my hourly wage for the 6+ hours per week spent on these videos.

And, naturally I promote my own products because I am a small business and the audience for these videos is interested in D&D books.

Furthermore, my commentary is not just about what's on the catalog page. I frequently discuss options to use the books...See more
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Greg C March 04, 2022 8:21 pm UTC
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You spamming 1000 links, sure some authors might be grateful that someone came to their page, but they don't realize you are just doing it to promote your own stuff, you don't care about their products and nobody is going to watch a 2 hour video of links. Its underhand, spam is spam.
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Jimmy F March 04, 2022 9:21 pm UTC
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I don't think you've watched the show. This most recent episode, I mentioned one of my books only during 2 of the 40 I talked about. Of course, I mention my books at the beginning and the end of the video because it would be foolish not to do so. It is one of the few ways I can recoup some funds for my time. This is not a secret. Everyone who is a member of the affiliate program does so to make a little bit of money. It's an exchange. I send traffic, you pay a little. And, again, I earn pennies from that. Definitely not an hourly wage.

It feels like you feel personally slighted by me. Perhaps you are a creator and didn't like what I said about your work or I happened to mention one of my books during it? I don't know, but again, I think you should channel that frustration/anger/whatever it is into something positive, instead of these posts. You've made your opinion clear. I've responded to you. There's really no where further to go with this.
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Pekka S March 18, 2022 8:37 am UTC
I agree with Greg here. Feels like you're only promoting yourself on the expense of the people who made this awesome book. Not nice, not nice at all. :( Actually pretty damn rude.

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Al W February 24, 2022 8:51 pm UTC
I'd love to see a Table of Contents. I don't like to purchase items like this without any idea of what's in it.
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Ben R February 24, 2022 10:51 pm UTC
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Agreed.
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Daniel M March 04, 2022 5:46 pm UTC
Agreed
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Alex K March 04, 2022 9:00 pm UTC
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Sure. We will try to add that.
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Darren E February 24, 2022 5:34 am UTC
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Did anyone else notice on the beautiful map they misnamed the "Sunrise" Mountains the "Sunset" Mountains? The Sunset Mountains are far to the west on the Sword Coast.

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Eleonora P February 24, 2022 4:49 pm UTC
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If I'm not mistaken, it's written that Thayans have been changing the mountains' name a lot in the past few centuries, swinging between Sunrise and Sunset, and that at the moment they're called Sunset Mountains instead of Sunrise.
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Jerry T February 23, 2022 12:31 pm UTC
Oh, come on! I just said that Wild Assent: Lavon Rising was going to be my last purchase for a while and I would save some money, and then this comes out? I'm going to have to buy this!
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Eleonora P February 22, 2022 3:26 pm UTC
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Very nicely done, I really enjoyed reading this setting. The lore depth is exquisite and clears up quite a lot about Thay's current state of affairs as of late 15th DR. Will make sure to include this in my game set in Faerun!
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Remi P February 21, 2022 11:22 pm UTC
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Just snagged this and am having a blast with the lore, but the subclass option presented in the book (the Weavebound Paladin) has serious issues.

It requires two levels of Wizard to be taken before your character is allowed to take levels as a Weavebound Paladin, something without precedent in 5e class design. This requires an unusual stat spread - your character needs Intelligence, Strength, and Charisma - and also completely throws off the Weavebound's class abilities; your level 3 Oath is actually being taken at level 5, and your capstone ability would actually require you to be level 22.

It doesn't help that none of the Weavebound Paladin's abilities interact with your Wizard levels at all, other than the level 15 ability (which again, you actually would get at level 17, because of the required multiclass), which is likewise pretty broken; a once per month ritual that costs 5,000gp (why does a class feature cost gold?) that lets you trade Paladin levels for Wizard ones, equal to...See more
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Matthew G February 22, 2022 5:02 am UTC
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I whole heartedly agree! I'd even say this seems more apt for a NPC then a play character. I also found Chapter 5 to be very short. The lore is fantastic, however the tangible things I can give my characters I feel is very lacking.
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Daniel M February 22, 2022 12:10 pm UTC
That's pretty disappointing. If I ignored the Wizard requirement as a DM, do you think it would be more useful?
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Alan P February 22, 2022 2:53 pm UTC
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Thanks for the comments. Thay has a loooooong history of breaking rules, especially magical ones! You can always disregard the requirement of wizard levels, or extend your campaign past the standard level 20 (there are plenty of solid options across dmsguild for this). You're correct in that this is without precedent across general 5e design but we were more interested in creating narratively interesting options rather than something that was "best in class". This is also why we didn't create a slew of player options - Thay is a land of villainy more than heroics, and having a bunch of new player options in this product really felt like we were enticing people into more "evil" games which wasn't our intent at all.

To the point of the level 17 ability - this allows you to temporarily swap your levels, so you're a paladin/ wizard, not just a wizard. This adds some versatility to the playstyle without a full swap of all levels (an early version allowed you to dump all your paladin...See more
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Remi P February 23, 2022 12:50 am UTC
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The level 15 feature is still going to be pretty useless.
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Remi P February 23, 2022 12:55 am UTC
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A big part of the snarl is that a Wizard needs Intelligence to function and Dexterity to survive, so they'll want to prioritize those, but then becoming a Paladin requires Strength and Charisma both to be at 13 (and will ideally want to be higher, so they can actually fight and utilize their Charisma-based Paladin abilities), so your stats are being pulled in just about every direction - you'll either be a Wizard who's bad at being a Paladin, or (more likely) vice versa. Something to cut back on this multi-stat dependency (maybe using Intelligence for Paladin abilities, rather than Charisma?) to get the two halves more in harmony would be much appreciated.
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Jerry T February 23, 2022 12:34 pm UTC
Well, you can technically make a Dexterity-based paladin. Also, there are plenty of classes where you want to have a good stat spread. I mean, anytime somebody wants to multiclass, they often need to have three or four good stats.
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Damian F February 23, 2022 4:00 pm UTC
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Personally I love the concept. Sticking to 5e's design philosophy is, in my opinion, a pretty boring way to go about things - I for one love any attempt to make something similar to or actually a prestige class, particularly for the narrative functionality of it all.

I think the only adjustment on the face of it I'd want to make would be to eliminate the "you can't learn new spells" and change it to "you cannot scribe spells into your spellbook" as otherwise you just end up as someone with many spell slots and no spells beyond your maximum 3rd level wizard spells (assuming a 15/5 paladin-wizard split).
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Terrelle S February 27, 2022 12:04 am UTC
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Is this still a concern with Tasha's Customizable Origins and Lineage being a thing now?
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Jeremy Q February 27, 2022 4:43 pm UTC
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Personally I wouldn't mind the weird Wizard/Paladin crossover if it wasn't for the fact that the class has a 20th level capstone. It is rare that any campaign goes beyond 15th level, and even the ones that reach 20th level don't tend to stick around long enough to let players really enjoy their capstones. Considering the really cool concept of the Weavebound paladin and that fact that it'd be getting paladin features later than other paladins, I think it would be better if they got that capstone at L18.
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