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A Tale of Two Dragons: Phandalin Adventures Tier 2 Conversions

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If you've ever wanted to play Lost Mine Of Phandelver and Dragon of Icespire Peak back to back as one long Phandalin campaign, this conversion guide is for you.

What Is This?

This guide converts Lost Mine of Phandelver and Dragon of Icespire Peak to Tier 2 (levels 5 to 10). That way you can play these two adventures back to back in either order using the same characters.

What Do I Need?

To use this guide, you must have a copy of both Lost Mine of Phandelver from the D&D Starter Set and Dragon of Icespire Peak from the D&D Essentials Kit. This guide does not make sense without them. You also need a copy of the Monster Manual since many of the creatures in this book draw from that sourcebook.

Why Buy This?

In other words, if you have finished running Lost Mine of Phandelver or Dragon of Icespire Peak and wish to continue your adventures in Phandalin right where you left off with the same characters, this guide is for you. The end effect will be a 1st- to 11th-level campaign set in the frontier town of Phandalin.

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Cain J November 08, 2023 5:11 am UTC

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Just to confirm, I run either LMoP or DoIP, and then use the opposite guide to continue on? I have already bought your product and own both LMoP and DoIP but have yet to start either campaign. We start in a few weeks and I want to make sure I understand your guide properly

Adam H November 08, 2023 12:41 pm UTC

CREATOR

Yes, you understood it perfectly!

Cain J November 08, 2023 2:33 pm UTC

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Thanks Adam. Look forward to using this. Once we start your side of the coin, I will let you know how we go

Tomasz S September 26, 2023 11:31 pm UTC

Hi, question for creator. We are going to finish our LMOP campaign soon. I quite homebrewed some things and PC's are going to end the story at 7th level. Will your module help me to run continue to that campaign up from 7th level?

Adam H September 27, 2023 11:05 am UTC

CREATOR

Yes, that's exactly what it'll do. In just the full-size preview, you'll find everything you need to make Dragon of Icespire Peak an adventure for levels 5 to 11. Most folks who run LMoP end at level 5 or 6. Some of it might feel easy if you're already at 7th level, but the rest should be just right.

JOSHUA O March 22, 2023 9:42 am UTC

Just a query, i'm very interested in this product. I would be running it off the back of Dragons of Stormwreck Isle however some of my players 'retired PC's' ran the first dungeon of Phandelver. Is it possible to somehow deliver those hooks and skip them past the prologue just as a general inquiry? As i'd love to run the full thing post DoSI as a 5-10 campaign. As I've written this I've realised I could also possibly turn the 'prologue' into a short more call and response game where we quickly blast through it to get the new PC's all up to date. :)

Adam H March 22, 2023 1:47 pm UTC

CREATOR

Yes, it's possible to run Lost Mine of Phandelver as a 5-9 campaign. I hope that answers your question!

Michael W February 13, 2023 6:22 pm UTC

I bought this on my old account and just wish I could give you a proper review but cannot get back into it for some reason. Once I can I will leave a review. LMOP and DOIP are great already but these guides really helped me change up the adventures when combining the modules.

Adam H February 13, 2023 6:27 pm UTC

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I appreciate you saying so!

Benjamin K April 26, 2021 3:32 am UTC

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Any change that you'll be producing a similar guide to the follow on adventures from Dragon of Icespire Peak? Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, and Divine Contention. I'm running players through Dragon of Icespire Peak as a tier 2 after they finished Lost Mines as tier 1. Scaling up these three adventures could take the three short campaigns into most of 1 level 1-20 long campaign.

Adam H August 09, 2021 1:46 pm UTC

CREATOR

Sorry, this product doesn't do anything with Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, or Divine Contention.

CS C January 19, 2024 5:29 am UTC

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Please make a guide like this for Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, and Divine Contention. This guide is awesome, btw! I ran LMOP first, and now I'm running DOIP using your guide. I know this guide isn't for Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, or Divine Contention. But it would be amazing if you could make one for them. I'd buy them FOR SURE! Thanks!

Thomas H October 20, 2020 12:17 am UTC

If you've already run DOIP, will this allow my players to continue on with LMOP progressing from level 5?

Adam H October 20, 2020 2:43 am UTC

CREATOR

Yes, when you purchase, there are two files. The first makes it possible to run DoIP right where LMoP left off. The second is for running LMoP when DoIP left off.

Wes C August 20, 2020 4:35 am UTC

If you've already run LMOP, will this allow my players to continue on with DOIP progressing from level 5?

Adam H August 20, 2020 12:41 pm UTC

CREATOR

Yes, it will!

David C November 27, 2020 5:40 am UTC

What about the digital-only follow-ons - Beyond the Dragon of Icespire Peak?
(Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, Divine Contention)

These were included in the Essentials box, as a DnDBeyond code. Together with DOIP, they take you to 12th level.

Adam H November 27, 2020 3:20 pm UTC

CREATOR

This product doesn't do anything with Storm Lord's Wrath, Sleeping Dragon's Wake, or Divine Contention.

Matthew K January 27, 2020 7:09 pm UTC

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TL/DR - This is a wonderful product, and even though it is a back-to-back combining of the two adventures, that doesn't mean you cannot intermingle or entwine them USING this product. Some of my ideas are below.

Just purchased this product. It hasn't been 24 hours yet, so I cannot yet review it, but from the brief skim it's going to help fill out a LOT of balance problems from combining these two adventures. One thing that I have read from one of the reviews is that the product is set up to play back-to-back and does not combine them and I am here to say that you can STILL combine them. Just takes a little creative work. Here are some of my notes and thoughts:

1. I have run DOIP a few times for my kids and group of friends. I always like to start with the PCs seeing Cyrovain flying overhead. It quickly and subtly establishes that Cryovain is the BBEG of the mini-campaign.

2. The opening quest I start with is with the Manticore encounter. It is strong enough for LV1 PCs to...See more wipe them out, but intelligent enough to negotiate and see things the PC's way. I use this encounter as a great way to introduce the PCs to role-playing, as not every monster needs a stab stab stab die.

3. From there, you can offer the other T1 quests for the players to play through. If they happen to go to the Excavation Site, just rename the two Dwarves there to Nundro and Tharden. Another idea is that these Dwarves are the two Doppledangers employed by Nezznar. Either way, this excavation is a failed attempt to find the Wave Echo Cave. If the did go to the Excavation Site fight, then you can pocket Gnomengarde until the players are 5th or 6th level, as per "A Tale of Two Dragons" suggests.

4. Have Nundro and Tharden task the players with finding their brother Gundren. This will set the players on the path of Part One of LMOP with a level or two under their belt, making that first encounter with the Goblins a little less deadly. Hell, the entirety of Part One are deadly encounters one after another, and having the players up a few levels helps. ESPECIALLY if you only have one or two players and some sidekicks.

4a. Having the players away trying to find Gundren and the Cragmaws is an awesome excuse to have the Rebrands move in. Harbin, being scared of the White Dragon in the area, has locked himself in his house (as per DOIP) and refuses to leave while the beast is prowling around. It would go completely unnoticed (or maybe he's too scared to deal with) the ruffians that have moved in to the town.

5. Once the players are back in Phandalin, they should be LV3. From here you can tackle the T2 quests from DOIP or deal with the Redbrands. From here, if the players are tackling the T2 quests from DOIP, then run them as is... or if they take on the Redbrands, play that as is. As the players start to reach LV5... then you can use both parts of this product to scale up the encounters and intermingle them.

We already know that the Cragmaws and the Redbrands are working with Nezznar to destabilize Phandalin. You can also have Nezznar strike a deal with the Orcs and Anchorites of Talos. Nezznar doesn't want those pesky Adventurers finding his cave and... and plays nicely in to the destruction of Phandalin.

7. Have the Orcs of Wyvern Tor be part of the Orc group that are helping the Anchorites of Talos.

8. Wait to ambush Phandalin until the players are off in the Wave Echo Cave. As they are on their way back, they see the smoke rising from the town. This will lead easily into the final encounter of the Tale by sending them up to Icespire Peak to deal with the Dragon. Hell, my kids negotiated with the Orcs, and once they cleaned out Icespire, let the Orcs move back in with the Anchorites in tow to live in "peace" and worship Talos so long as they didn't come back to the Highroad or Trail.

8a. We already know that the Cragmaws and the Redbrands are working with Nezznar to destabilize Phandalin. You can also have Nezznar strike a deal with the Orcs and Anchorites of Talos. Nezznar doesn't want those pesky Adventurers finding his cave and... and plays nicely in to the destruction of Phandalin.

9. Let Venomfang from Thundertree still escape. If the players end up killing here, that's okay too... but imagine this... Venomfang KNOWS there is another dragon in the area and CANNOT STAND IT. Have her negotiate with the players. If the players help her get rid of the dragon, she will let them live. Venomfang doesn't know where Cyrovain is nesting, she is much younger than the older white dragon, and the idea of scouting him out and him attacking her is not in Venomfangs best interest. She is a green dragon, after all... she has all the time in the world to wait and plan. Here's where things get awesome. If the players agree, Venomfang shows up for the fight on top of Icespire peak to "help" the players. I picture her bursting through the icey fog, roaring, as the players have Cyrovain on the ropes. A dragon vs dragon encounter will be something the players will never forget. The PCs can deal with Venomfang now or later... either way she will keep her word... for now... setting up the possibility of another BBEG for another, expanded, adventure.

10. As a nice little epilogue, the players have restored Phandalin to the mining and trading town it once was. A few months or even a year later, rumors of a horrible spiderlike creature attacking Gnome and Dwarven miners begin to surface. The players investigate and find that a Drider has moved in to one of the mines and is terrorizing the miners. When the players encounter the Drider, it is none other than Nezznar, back from the dead. His failure in the Wave Echo Cave did not go unnoticed by Lolth, the Spider Queen. As punishment, she cursed him as a Drider to haunt the caves that he failed to secure. It really puts a nice bow on the entire adventure, and the callback will be appreciated by the players.

These are of course just MY ideas on how I plan on using this product. Feel free to join in the discussion and add to my crazy ramblings.

Paul H April 16, 2020 8:41 am UTC

I'm running LMoP on Fantasy Grounds for my friends in lockdown right now, and when I discovered this adventure was also in Phandalin I was excited...until I saw the levels for the encounters and realised that I probably wouldn't be able to run them together. This product and your review have given me a tonne of ideas on how to do that now. Thanks!

Matthew K May 03, 2020 10:04 pm UTC

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Happy to hear I could help!