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Savage Coast Campaign Book (2e)

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Welcome to THE SAVAGE COAST, TSR#2521, the first product from the AD&D ODYSSEY line, and TSR's first fully online product!

 
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Thorfinn T June 01, 2021 4:07 am UTC
Um... This is a fan-made PDF, created from the files released free to the Internet by the publishers back in the 90s. The layout artist is Alex Boucher, aka avatar of the Spam Overlord — as noted in this PDF.

It has been freely available at the official Mystara fan site, the Vaults of Pandius, since 2007.

http://pandius.com/svgecst.html

I’m not sure why this is now appearing as a paid product. If it were in print, that would be wonderful indeed, as this product has never been released in print before.
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Thorfinn T June 01, 2021 7:42 am UTC
My link to the Vaults of Pandius was wrong. It should be:

http://pandius.com/aboucher.html
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Sean C June 01, 2021 3:00 pm UTC
Why are you saying it is a Fan-made product when the book you linked to clearly states it is copyright 1996 by TSR? I know you do a lot of work on the Mystara front ;)

But this looks like it was a legitimate TSR product. It's also listed on WIkipedia. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Mystara

I think you might want to be careful about posting links to people posting copywritten material here ;)
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Thorfinn T June 01, 2021 3:11 pm UTC
The text and images (though not necessarily all of the graphics) were released by TSR in the late 90s, and posted online for free. Over the years, fans have turned the bare text files into progressively more professional-looking PDFs, presenting the same text as TSR posted all those years ago, but in a prettier form.

The Vaults of Pandius is the official Mystara fan site, as designated by Wizards of the Coast in the late 90s (as I understand it). It hosts a vast range of fan creations for Mystara, based in varying degrees on the original official products. Some cleave very close, adapting or re-presenting official stuff, while others are wholly original works.

In any case, yes the text and images are all by TSR, now copyright Wizards of the Coast. But the layout and likely some of the artwork was not done by TSR, nor Wizards, and they should not be selling it unless they have the permission of the artists.
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Sean C June 02, 2021 1:05 am UTC
WoTC has the rights since they own the artwork. To be fair, whoever did the layouts did it without permission. They can't complain about permission and copyrights when they didn't get them to begin with ;)

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Thorfinn T June 02, 2021 8:13 am UTC
It seems ridiculous to be having this discussion. Here’s why:

1996: TSR posts the text documents, with associated art, freely online.
2006: A fan named Alex Boucher turns this stuff into a nice set of PDFs.
2007: The PDFs are added to the official fan site, Vaults of Pandius.
2021: Wizards puts the fan-created PDFs up for sale.

We’re talking about a book that was released for free to the Internet 25 years ago, which fans turned into PDFs 15 years ago. It has been legitimately available to download, for free, for all that time, first from TSR, then Wizards, then the official fan site — where it still is to this day.

I am not arguing against their right to sell the book. Of course they own the copyright on the text and images. But there are two problems:

One, it is unethical to sell someone else’s layout work without compensation. It’s also highly unprofessional.

Two, the same PDF is legitimately available on the Wizards-endorsed...See more
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Jeff E June 02, 2021 9:02 am UTC
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I have to agree. I thought this looked a little familiar, especially given the original was text, as you said. So, I did an archive dive in what I have saved from the past. And, there it was.

I was hoping for the art and maps from the original Red Steel book. Much of which was, and is, great.

Further, the lack of any real product information on the product page is not a good sign. I would have liked some of the short history bits and background info that we see in most of the older products.

I am disappointed, really, with all this. A little effort would have been nice. I don't mind paying for a modern scan of an older product. Such is life, I suppose.
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