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The Sorcerer Class, Revisited

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The Sorcerer Class, Revisited attempts to address common community critiques of the Sorcerer class with minimal changes to the class. Incorporate into this revised variant of the sorcerer class are: additional spells known, additional metamagic options, and a spell points system. If you feel the sorcerer class in the Player's Handbook lacks a distinct identity as a spellcaster, check out the Sorcerer Class, Revisited!

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Ruben M February 08, 2020 8:06 pm UTC
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Hey, i thought i'd take a look at this supplement since one of my players wants to play a sorcerer and it feels lackluster in vanilla

However, i noticed a HUUUUGE problem with your supplement: a level 20 Sorcerer has 51 sorcery points. he can use said points to emulate spell slots, up to the level he can normaly use. that means a level 20 Sorcerer can simply cast 5 level 9 spells for 45 sorcery points. if you take meteor swarm that is literally 100d6 fire + 100d6 bludgeon damage in 5 turns in a huge area.
What ??? i know (or at least suspect) that you went after a similar approach to the warlock to differentiate the sorcerer from the wizard more, and i like that approach in general, but this is just insane.

how about this: the sorcerer gets his normal spell slots, but can use sorcery points to overcast spells. for example magic missile: it's a level 1 spell, so the sorcerer has to burn a level 1 spell slot, but he can use sorcery points to cast said level 1 spell at a higher level....See more
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Ashley R October 15, 2019 9:39 pm UTC
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So you would be able to use sorcery point to cast spell of your other class but the level woundn't count toward your spellcaster level ? (PHB 164) . Would you be inclined to add a special rule to let the revisited sorcerer ''sack'' spell slots from other class ? (Converting a Spell Slot to Sorcery Points. PHB 101) An other thing that hit me and my players while playtesting the revisited sorcerer is how good of a 2 level dip it becomes. You get the ability to : twin cast a level 8 spell. In the original class the number of sorcery point you can spend in one go is equal to your sorcerer level and I for one think it should stay that way when it comes to metamagic. Futhermore if you add a limit to the number of sorcery point being used equal to your level in the class, you would need to inverse metamagic and Font of magic otherwise Heightened Spell is unusable. It also give the benefit of not making to good of a dip because most class get a very good ability at level 18. Cheers I really like your work :)
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Bálint K September 29, 2019 11:54 am UTC
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you redefined the sorcery points, and by tying to the actual spellcasting, you gutted the spellcasting itself.
Congratulations
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Benjamin H October 02, 2019 5:24 pm UTC
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I have no idea what you're trying to say or why you're saying it with that tone. If you'd like a response, please clarify your point and show some minimal amount of respect.
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Bálint K October 04, 2019 3:21 pm UTC
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Take a lvl 3 PHB sorcerer. 4 lvl1 slots, 2 lvl2-s. Add sor.points onto that to make 1 more if needed.
On par with standard fullcaster, whatever it uses sorpoints for, it will be ahead.
Take this revision.
4x2 + 2x3 = 14. It needs 14 sorcery points to be on par with other casters. You gave it 9. And it splits off to metamagic.
Empower still just rerolls, sculpt spells it still better than careful spell (no dmg vs half dmg).
Nothing you added every justifies using metamagic when I am already more restricted on what to do than any other caster.
To compensate, you tacked on a new mechanic, sorcerous trance. This revision relies too heavily on it. 18 points for all the standard slots, and I have 4 left to do anything with.
Yes, 4 is better than the 3 in the PHB.
But that is only, if I dont waste any points. You turned this into a risk-reward resource management, where messing up will put you severly behind other casters, and doing it perfectly puts you *slightly*ahead...See more
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Benjamin H October 06, 2019 5:49 pm UTC
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Okay, so your point was that you don't like that particular design decision. That's fine! Plenty of others do. I am enjoying the class myself quite a bit!
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Joey R September 11, 2019 10:28 pm UTC
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Hi! I've noticed that you've made mention of an update, but those comments date back to 10 months ago and there doesn't appear to have been one. For someone who's looking to switch sorcerers over, are there any changes to this doc you'd suggest making based on your playtesting? Thanks!!
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Ashley R August 22, 2019 11:24 am UTC
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So you would be able to use sorcery point to cast spell of your other class but the level woundn't count toward your spellcaster level ? (PHB 164) . Would you be inclined to add a special rule to let the revisited sorcerer ''sack'' spell slots from other class ? (Converting a Spell Slot to Sorcery Points. PHB 101) An other thing that hit me and my players while playtesting the revisited sorcerer is how good of a 2 level dip it becomes. You get the ability to : twin cast a level 8 spell. In the original class the number of sorcery point you can spend in one go is equal to your sorcerer level and I for one think it should stay that way when it comes to metamagic. Futhermore if you add a limit to the number of sorcery point being used equal to your level in the class, you would need to inverse metamagic and Font of magic otherwise Heightened Spell is unusable. It also give the benefit of not making to good of a dip because most class get a very good ability at level 18. Cheers I really like your work :)
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Logan S July 02, 2019 8:11 am UTC
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Can someone please explain how Sorcerous Trance works? I’m a little confused. Sorry.
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Benjamin H July 03, 2019 2:25 am UTC
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When you use your Font of Magic feature you regain all sorcery points and enter a sorcerous trance for 1 minute. While in a sorcerous trance, you are surrounded by an obvious magical aura unless you decide not to be AND you can use any number of unique Metamagic options on each spell you cast (contradicting the normal rule about only using one Metamagic option per spell).
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Logan S July 03, 2019 9:40 am UTC
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Thank you so much! To be honest I wasn’t expecting a response, much less such a fast one! If you don’t mind one more question, does it have to be one of the Metamagic options I picked?
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Erik T April 01, 2019 11:37 am UTC
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In Xanathar's, the Shadow Magic ability Eyes of the Dark states that using sorcery points to cast the Darkness spell instead of a spell slot allows the sorcerer to see through the darkness. Does this change with your revision, considering that sorcery points are the only means by which to cast spells?
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Daniel M November 13, 2018 4:25 pm UTC
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In the ability 'metamagic mastery' you could pick twinned spell which would be op for things like 9th level spells because of the large difference in metamagic point from 9 to 0
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Benjamin H November 15, 2018 6:19 am UTC
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That's an extremely good point and something I'll address in the update.
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Daniel S October 23, 2018 10:07 am UTC
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Enjoying this class very much, though there is a small problem:

The number of Metamagic options you get according to the description is different from the table. According to the table you also get another MM option at level 4.
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Benjamin H November 15, 2018 6:20 am UTC
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Thank you, I'll correct that in the update. In the meantime, the class table is correct, not the feature text.
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Damian F September 28, 2018 5:52 pm UTC
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This looks really fun and I am actively encouraging my group's Sorcerer to switch over.

However, one minor thought which isn't touched on in the document: How would the Sorcerer's Spell Point system function when it comes to Multiclassing?
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Damian F September 28, 2018 7:52 pm UTC
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Oh, also worth noting - while in the prologue you mention changing Metamagic to include 4th level, you forgot to include this in the actual Metamagic section of the document.
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Benjamin H October 03, 2018 4:25 am UTC
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It wouldn't interact with other forms of spellcasting, the same way a Warlock's Pact Magic feature doesn't. I will clarify that in the document!
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Ashley R July 30, 2019 12:11 pm UTC
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So you would be able to use sorcery point to cast spell of your other class but the level woundn't count toward your spellcaster level (PHB 164) . Would you be inclined to add a special rule to let the revisited sorcerer ''sack'' spell slots from other class ? (Converting a Spell Slot to Sorcery Points. PHB 101)
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Ashley R July 31, 2019 8:26 pm UTC
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An other thing that hit me and my players while playtesting the revisited sorcerer is how good of a 2 level dip it becomes. You get the ability to : twin cast a level 8 spell. In the original class the number of sorcery point you can spend in one go is equal to your sorcerer level and I for one think it should stay that way when it comes to metamagic. Cheers I really like your work :)
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Ashley R August 01, 2019 1:36 pm UTC
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Futhermore if you add a limit to the number of sorcery point being used equal to your level in the class, you would need to inverse metamagic and Font of magic otherwise Heightened Spell is unusable. It also give the benefit of not making to good of a dip because most class get a very good hability at level 18.
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